SCS Torgal (Part II)


(Continuing from Part I: Sword Coast Stratagems Guide)


Ok! We have formed a five-strong arcane party, scribed a heap of scrolls to our spellbooks, and completed a few of the easier quests offered in Athkalta. As a result, we have gained a few character levels, and are therefore ready to travel to a couple of the easier outlying areas; namely, the fortress and the grove. 

Just a reminder, that in order to travel to outlying areas you will first have to get to the Gates district; otherwise they will be grayed out. However, once you have been to an outlying area at least once, you will be able to travel back there from any district.

The order in which you undertake the fortress and the grove does not matter; with the exception of the over-powering rakshasa trio (which, however, are optional) you should be more than ready for both areas if you followed my recommendations in Part I.

If you have the Sunfire spell, the fortress, the grove and most areas that come after, are going to be much easier. We get this spell from Lady Yuth in the Adventurers' Mart.

The Troll Hordes of de'Arnise and the Druid Grove



Both the fortress and the grove are infested with trolls which will tear through your mirrors and skins in no time at low level. (Yep, with SCS BG2 installed we are already hanging out for PfMW. In vanilla, I barely even need the spell.)

Against the hordes you will want Web for immobilization and MMM, Fireball and Sunfire for destruction. Low level fire and acid spells, or bows loaded with fire and acid arrows, will also vanquish trolls once they have dropped to the ground. Have Nalia fire such arrows from Tuigan instead of loading your slots with Burning Hands and Melf's Acid Arrow; that way, you can load up on more useful first and second circle spells.

SCS Spirit Trolls


Enhanced Spirit Trolls. Be aware that spirit trolls sport innate concealment, on-hit Strength drain and can cast Unholy Blight, Flame Strike and Greater Command. Coupled with their regenerative powers and refusal to die to nothing but fire, acid and poison, it all amounts to nasty, nasty stuff - at least, for the unprepared adventuring party.


De Arnise Fortress



The de'Arnise Keep has been Invaded. In addition to the troll hoards, also lurking in De Arnise are yuan-ti that are not to be trifled with, possessed as they are of arcane powers on the level of a middling mage. Generic Yuan-ti spawn on-rest with vanilla frequency (very high). In addition, Umber Hulks plague the lower level but are fairly easy to dispatch with Cloudkill or the Death Spell. My Edwin had not yet broken into the sixth circle at this point, so the latter was not an option.


Forge the Flail of Ages. I remember the infamous Tactics mod placed one of the flail heads in Torgal's possession, but there is no such barrier to wielding FoA against Torgal in SCS. Wearing the Girdle of Hill Giant Strength or otherwise buffing with the likes of Strength of One or DUHM, Aerie is capable of wielding FoA on-hand and DoA off-hand at 4 ApR under Improved Haste, which is not a bad setup to fall back on if you need her to. 

FoA crowns my Best Weapons write-up for a reason: it's the best weapon in the campaign. Otherwise, you could have Aerie wielding the Sling of Seeking on-hand and the Shield of Harmony off-hand (Hero of Trademeet reward, see below) for the Strength-based ranged damage bonus and mind shield status conferred.

Golem Treasure Chamber. While you can certainly lower their MR with Lower Resistance or Pierce Shield, the golems of stone, clay and iron will drop quickly to five mages firing MMM at 5 ApR (6 with Haste; 10 with Improved Haste).


Note that the Clay Golem-inflicted Curse status can only be removed with the actual Remove Curse spell (not at a temple). The curse itself prevents the victim from being healed by spells or by resting. Quite inconvenient.

SCS Torgal


Improved Torgal. SCS Torgal is the troll-boss heading up the invasion of Nalia's keep. In SCS, and in this level range, he is flanked by three spirit trolls, two each of giant troll and yuan-ti mage, and one each of spectral troll and umber hulk.

Left: This pic shows how the battle starts out. Hidden from the outset, you will need True Sight or Detect Illusion to reveal the spirit trolls and yuan-ti.
Right: Layers of Web and Cloudkill immobilize and eat away at Torgal's ranks in short order. Torgal is on the verge of death, too.

Did you just call me "gradunk"?

Way I see it, there are two fairly reliable methods to employ in order to beat this battle at low level:

(above-right pic) One, spam Web to immobilize the mob and then follow up with Cloudkill to wear them down and kill them off. With enough webs nothing will move from their starting points, and with enough Cloudkills regeneration will not offset the stacked poison (the sheer depth of the AoEs will overwhelm their Saving Throws, MR and regen). Firing out of line-of-sight, the cries of pain and anguish will echo through the halls of the keep as the poison nova eats away at Torgal's ranks. Obviously, launching Fireballs and Skull Traps into that hell-hole will speed up their demise. Oddly satisfying...

Two, Torgal will rage like a barb and attempt to charge your ranks under the effect of PfMW - only to fall against the blistering hail of rapid-fire MMMs fired by five mages (Breach is not needed). Protected by Stoneskin, Mirror Image, MGoI and fire, the party can then fill the room with Sunfires and Fireballs in order to scorch the remaining trolls to a crisp. Yuan-ti that don't fall to the conflagration can be taken apart by Breach, Secret Word and Spell Thrust - just like any other middling mage. After that, they should be easy pickings.

I love Nalia's emotional line after Torgal's demise; she is well voice-acted.

Trademeet & the Druid Grove



Next up, Trademeet. This town is a popular early port of call for its comparatively generous XP, wealth, reputation and itemization gains. It's also extremely easy to satisfy the two quests and reopen trade because Cernd will handle Faldorn and the genies or rakshasa are walk-overs. The latter is not true in SCS, however. But I'm getting ahead of myself.


Slay the rogue wildlife, head to the mayor's house, and agree to talk with Cernd on behalf of Logan Coprith. Down in the basement, talk to Cernd to unlock the Druid Grove on the world map, and agree to meet him there (that's right, he doesn't have to leech your grove XP by joining the party). Back outside, evil-aligned Charnames will be approached by an unscrupulous lord and given a choice to poison the grove. My Charname is not evil, so it's not an option.

In order to become the Heroes of Trademeet and reopen trade you will have to achieve two things: have Cernd slay Faldorn and slay Ihtafeer (or Khan Zahraa).

You can gain access to Trademeet Merchant BG2 and Trademeet Blacksmith BG2 by simply slaying Khan Zahraa immediately and reporting to Guildmistress Busya at the Mayor's House.

SCS Druid Grove


Ok, the Druid Grove. Make sure Pauden spawns to talk when you first arrive. Look around the immediate area, and rest, if he doesn't. 

En route to Cernd in the north you will have to take out packs of trolls, druids, shambling mounds, shriekers, grizzlies and an Elder Earth Elemental that shakes the foundations of the grove itself, but that shouldn't be a problem with Web, Sunfire, Cloudkill and MMM. The XP yield is huge: Spirit Troll x6 (12,000 XP ea), Shambling Mound x3 (8,000 XP ea) and an Elder Earth Elemental (16,000 XP). Not to mention all the other crap to kill.

Below: Beautiful visuals, aren't they? And the music is beautiful, too. But the beauty is deceiving...


Left: Entrance to the troll mound.
Right: Inside. You can barely see the mob of trolls amidst this hell-hole, and there will be nothing but scorched corpses left when we're done with them. Burn, you bastards! Burn!!!


Faldorn SCS


Cernd vs. Faldorn. Cernd should be pre-buffed with Iron Skins, Haste, Improved Invisibility and whatever else you have at your disposal (you won't need much). Interruption of Faldorn's spellcasting is paramount: you don't want her getting off Creeping Doom or Conjure Fire Elemental. Luckily, that's not hard to ensure: simply unleash Insect Plague and then whale away on her with Flame Weapon. In this way, Cernd will wrest the grove from the Shadow Druids. I tested this three times, thinking I was just getting lucky. But no, it really is that easy. The difference between vanilla and my setup is that Cernd didn't have a hope in hell of defeating Faldorn in the scripted sequence: he must join the party (but then fight Faldorn alone). Anyway, wish Cernd well and take your leave of the now-peaceful grove. (Yeah, I'm not bothering with Cernd's personal quest, but feel free).

SCS Rakshasa



You might have thought I'd forgotten about the trio of SCS Rakshasa hanging out in Adratha's cottage: Ihtafeer, Saadat and Jalaal. Well, no I haven't. Though I wish I could - because they suck.

Why? Well, Breach and Melf's Minute Meteors aside, Rakshasa are immune to spell circles one-through-seven! (I tested it: nothing below ADHW will damage them other than MMM.) But it's not just the innate OP immunity: you see, SCS: More consistent Breach spell (always affects liches and rakshasas) is consistently bugged in that you will have to cast Breach twice in order to bring down a single Stoneskin.

Anyway... Mandatory pre-battle buffs are as follows:

  • Cast Stoneskin, Mirror Image and Minor Globe of Invulnerability to mitigate physical damage and circles 1-3 spell-based effects and damage (e.g, Skull Trap, Web, Stinking Cloud) 
  • Cast True Sight (and/or Detect Illusions) to dispel their illusions 
  • Cast Spell Immunity: Abjuration to avoid being dispeled 
  • Cast Melf's Minute Meteors and Improved Haste for damage/+ApR (three party members had Improved Haste by this point)

How to take them out:

  • Detect Illusions or True Sight 
  • Breach 
  • Melf's Minute Missiles (10 ApR)

Obvious cheese methods aside, you will have to get really lucky to win here. Teleport Field makes things crazy and the Breach bug is annoying. Thus, I advise you to either take out Khan Zahraa instead or simply leave this battle until you have access to Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting - or until Aerie can take them out, buffed to the heavens, wielding the Flail of Ages.

Left: Entrance to Adratha's cottage.
Right: Inside. No, those are not our spells. We are just trying to detect illusions and cast Breach...


Anyway, if you get lucky be sure to loot Ihtafeer's corpse for her head. Next, deliver the head to the genies in Trademeet in order to reopen the market and smithy there, from whom you can purchase some key scrolls and items; namely: Protection From Magical Energy x3, Mislead x3, Fire Shield (Red) x2, True Sight x1, Spell Shield x1 and Pierce Magic x1, Robe of the Good Archmagi,

Also purchase: Cloak of Displacement (+4 AC vs. missile, non-trivial saving throw bonus) and Belt of Inertial Barrier (non-trivial saving throw bonus, +25% resistance to missile dmg, +50% resistance to magical dmg)

The party will then be declared the Heroes of Trademeet and be awarded with the Shield of Harmony, which you should gift Aerie. The Guildmistress will also shower you with gold, gems and jewels for reopening trade in the town.

In addition, two more quests will now open up to you: the dueling nobles and the second part of the Skinner Murder quest (which began in the Bridge District). Complete both of these trivial quests and don't forget to loot the Elven Chainmail from Alibakkar's corpse. Elven Chainmail does not disable arcane spellcasting. Gift it to Aerie as well.

Left: Elven Chainmail. Flail of Ages on-hand, Shield of Harmony off-hand.
Middle: Robe of the Good Archmagi. IMoD on-hand, Defender of Easthaven off-hand.
Right: Robe of Vecna. Sling of Seeking on-hand, Shield of Harmony off-hand.


(BG2Tweaks: Remove Helmet Animations also disables helms on the paperdoll. Thus, no ugly Helm of Balduran is shown in the above pic).

To reiterate, if you leave Torgal and Ihtafeer until you have leveled up more, I don't see why Aerie could not take them out physically with the Flail of Ages, providing that she is specced to tank/DpR and that Breach is employed. The on-hit MR-bypassing No-save 33% Slow effect of FoA is amazing. See Best Weapons BG2 for more info.

Of course, other tactics will open up soonish (possibly aTweaks' Gate), and Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting is the final word if it comes down to that.

• Your party should look something like this now:

tl;dr: Charname and Nalia have broken into the sixth arcane circle, opening up already-scribed and key spells such as PfMW, PfME, True Sight, Pierce Magic, Mislead, Improved Haste and Invisible Stalker. See Best Spells BG2 for more info.

  • Charname ◦ Wild Mage 12 ◦ Spell Slots Arcane5-6-5-5-6-3 → Charname has Ruby Ray of Reversal scribed. There is one sold by the scroll merchant in Adv-mart (and at least one more itemized in the Underdark.)
  • Aerie ◦ Cleric 9/Mage 11 ◦ Spell Slots Arcane4-4-4-3-3 ◦ Spell Slots Divine6-6-3-2-1
  • NaliaThief 4/Mage 12 ◦ Spell Slots Arcane4-4-4-4-4-1
  • JanIllusionist 11/Thief 11 ◦ Spell Slots Arcane5-5-5-4-4
  • EdwinConjurer 11 ◦ Spell Slots Arcane7-7-7-6-6
  • Party Reputation: Heroic (18) → Edwin speaks his "leaving line" but won't leave the party because Charname has 18 natural CharismaUpdate: Actually, that's incorrect. Edwin can indeed leave the party so keep your Rep below 18 (kill a peasant).

Continued in Part III: SCS Bodhi -- Sword Coast Stratagems Guide -- SCS BG2.

15 comments:

  1. I have beaten Torgal in Tactics run with the help of four Greater Werebears. Fun battle!

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  2. Hi,

    Probably this is no longer relevant but this G3 thread:

    http://gibberlings3.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=27291&page=2

    has a few fixes for the Breach/Rakshasa issue.

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    1. Thanks for the heads-up, Xukuth. It's possibly relevant as I may get back to my SCS run in the future (the installation + savegames are backed up).

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  3. There might be a change in SCS because Iron Golem laugh MMM off with ease. The golems in this chamber got pretty high MR overall so other spells dont do so well

    I have to back off and let one fighter in with max buffs, spell and potion, possible to hit on that iron golem. As novice flail wielder, he bash the Flail of Age on it, one hit at a time and steadily wore it down.

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    1. You probably nerfed MMM during the installation process; I maintained vanilla MMM.

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    2. Oops~ Rechecking SCS extensive change list, MMM is nerfed back to +2 instead of +6 that we know and love~

      Anyway, back to fighting Torgal outlevelly. The key is to blanket the area, room after room, of Cloudkill (and web/entangle) to kill gradually what can be killed (mages and UH elder). Only Torgal have enough saves to get through the tangled web and attack us, which one versus many we barely can kill him. When we retreat back to stair room, the enemies get straggled out and we can get a fighter to fight trolls in the web thanks to Free action.

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    3. Yes, +2 to-hit for enchantment purposes is a major step down from +6, as +6 allows us to hit any enemy in the game that isn't under the effects of PfMW. +2 is as per AD&D 2nd Edition rules.

      As per such rules, each meteor is only supposed to inflict 1d4, but in vanilla MMM inflicts 7s and 14s on crits. It also erroneously applies off-hand on-hit effects to the meteors. Thus, for example, our meteors inflict no-save MR bypassing Stun if we wield Celestial Fury off-hand.

      On-hand, Belm or Kundane should be wielded for 6 ApR meteors which could have equated to 12 ApR under Improved Haste (but Infinity Engine ApR is capped at 10).

      Vanilla MMM is a godly 3rd circle spell.

      As for employing Web, Sunfire and Cloudkill on Torgal, you're preaching to the choir. But yeah, they are highly effective spells.

      What is your party composition and level?

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  4. MC, Nalia, Minsc, Jaheira, Aerie, and Anomen. No one over level 11 yet, so Prot Mag Weapon is out of question. Plus, It's the 1st major quest in chapter 2, so equipment is hugely normal.

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    1. Once you get some cash-flow going, it might be a good idea to advance to Chapter 3 for some easy XP.

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    2. I set Bayle's fee at 120k in order to justify, larping style, while I have to running around solving OTHER people's problem like a hired hand. So it's going to be a long time until I can get to chapter 3.

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    3. AnonymousMay 13, 2019

      Most people think of something entirely unrelated when the term LARP is used (live action role play). Is there a different useage of the term in your country?

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  5. Now that I finish most quest at Amn, AND Keldorn ask for a day off for family time, our party take off to Trademeet, finally. And get Cern.

    Well, Cern sucks. Druid is underwhelmed and greater werewolf is nothing special. Cern cant replace a melee warrior in frontline, and not a good caster.

    Cern's duel with Faldorn got one freezing bug: Creeping Doom. I dont know how to fix it.

    To avoid it, Cern have to interupt her casting ASAP. Then with high speed, just break her down straightaway.

    The Rakashasa trio is much tougher with their penchant to throw Sunfire, Fireball, and Cloudkill around like free. I suspect to solo them would need a fire protection to the gill.

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  6. AnonymousMay 13, 2019

    The Rakshasa trio fight with Swordcoast Strategems can be a nightmare in earlier stages of the game; you'll need far more than fire protection. :)

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    1. I basically have to kill Ihtafeer first, leaving the two guards alone even in the face of their fireballs. Luckily we have around two rounds from starting the fights until they can start throw spells around, so there's that.

      And for the two guards, I basically use fire elementals to soak their damages, and Flail of Age to mince them to dead.

      Also, I never play solo so I wouldnt know how to tackle that fight that way. Fire+Poison protection, then blur+improved invisibility then flail them to death, I suspect. With extra summons of fire elemental type.

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  7. I know I'm a year or two late to the party, but Ruby Ray of Reversal is at the scroll merchant in the back of Adventurer Mart

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